10:08:34 From Brad Macpherson : What is the flavour of the Irish Doughnut? 10:09:03 From William Schmick : chocolate 10:09:05 From William Schmick : jam 10:09:10 From William Schmick : marbled 10:10:30 From William Schmick : complicated history of invasion 10:10:49 From William Schmick : as opposed to inclusion 10:11:12 From Roisin Markham : ‘How can we do this better’ is an important context 10:13:54 From William Schmick : respect to the past 10:14:07 From William Schmick : if you build too much on the past, you don’t get where you need to go 10:15:33 From William Schmick : need to remap its visions, 500 years old, Ireland needs to be more encompassing, women, intragenerational equity, absolutely beautiful landscape that is either man made or natural depending on scale and scope 10:16:03 From Roisin Markham : 105 years old 10:16:09 From William Schmick : the land developed with the people, terraformed 10:16:57 From Roisin Markham : https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/bfa965-proclamation-of-independence/ 10:18:33 From Brad Macpherson : Acknowledge the past, don't be bound by it. 10:18:36 From William Schmick : conflict relation to economy 10:18:43 From William Schmick : importance of indigenous wisdom 10:19:09 From William Schmick : book- don’t touch my hair 10:27:07 From Brad Macpherson : No motorcycling on the green! 10:27:33 From Brad Macpherson : Local conversations 10:27:54 From William Schmick : different models for reducing carbon, theories of change 10:27:56 From Brad Macpherson : Feasta Theory of Change 10:28:20 From Brad Macpherson : https://www.feasta.org/theory-of-change/ 10:29:00 From Brad Macpherson : Put humans into an appropriate context - de-centring humans 10:29:15 From William Schmick To Brad Macpherson(privately) : can you send me some info on that? the theory of change that has the donut? 10:29:29 From Brad Macpherson To William Schmick(privately) : Yep, that's the link there 10:29:45 From William Schmick : how to create society that has values that we want 10:29:55 From William Schmick : regrowth, wealth, wealth redistribution 10:29:59 From William Schmick : huge mindset change 10:32:09 From Roisin Markham : The value of things 10:32:16 From William Schmick : throw away culture 10:32:24 From Roisin Markham : Growing up - the value of things 10:32:57 From Roisin Markham : Younger generation - better off 10:33:05 From Roisin Markham : Showering the kids with stuff 10:33:14 From Roisin Markham : ‘Spending time’ 10:38:12 From Brad Macpherson : Degrowth and wealth redistribution is a huge mind-set change. 10:39:20 From Brad Macpherson : Physical distance enhances interdependence in R's village 10:40:26 From Brad Macpherson : Not subscribing to religions can cause exclusion, not the only factor. 10:40:44 From William Schmick : acceptance of people in spaces 10:41:14 From William Schmick : helping your neighbor 10:41:55 From William Schmick : community owned energy grid held in the commons 10:42:48 From Roisin Markham : https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/emma-dabiri-and-hazel-chu-this-is-a-real-important-moment-in-ireland-1.4514803 10:46:42 From Brad Macpherson : Birmingham - advertising for "Doughnut Storyteller" 10:48:05 From William Schmick : methel 10:48:44 From Roisin Markham : Community held ownership - Meitheal is an old Irish term that describes how neighbours would come together to assist in the saving of crops or in other tasks 10:49:16 From William Schmick : wexford did this til 70’s 80, there’s a group doing this 10:50:43 From Roisin Markham : Ideologies, practices and REALITY 10:50:57 From Roisin Markham : Action labs by nature are experimental 10:51:06 From Roisin Markham : & should be experiential 10:51:14 From William Schmick : “the doughnut is a means not an end”- Brad 10:51:43 From Roisin Markham : The doughnut is just a snapshot but it brings a cohesive framework 10:53:26 From Roisin Markham : Its the level of action 10:54:09 From Roisin Markham : - I think the indicators are where people can get lost & wonder about the social/community needs 10:54:52 From Roisin Markham : Normative power of the doughnut 10:56:20 From Roisin Markham : Basic minimum needs - if you have these your household meets BMN 10:56:27 From Roisin Markham : *your 10:57:05 From Roisin Markham : It sounds like the same indicators are being sought after and work is doubling up across DEAL groups 10:59:14 From William Schmick : holding polarities in the same space, opening the space to ask who is included, where is the power 10:59:21 From William Schmick : looking at our group, we are not very diverse 10:59:42 From William Schmick : brings up equity issues, limits ability to get the message out there, we live in bubbles 11:00:53 From Michael Power : Apologies, I have to leave now - just as the conversation is getting really interesting :-( 11:01:02 From Brad Macpherson : Thanks Michael :-) 11:01:32 From Roisin Markham : You & Brad, Damian - they are my lines you are thinking them 11:02:25 From Brad Macpherson : Doughnut helps to avoid blind spots 11:02:33 From Roisin Markham : How holistic & encompassing are we being? 11:02:46 From Roisin Markham : Kinship, solidarity 11:03:15 From Roisin Markham : What will drive the pivot? …the doughnut 11:03:29 From Roisin Markham : Showing the systems 11:05:47 From Brad Macpherson : Project Drawdown 11:05:59 From Roisin Markham : https://drawdown.org/ 11:07:17 From Brad Macpherson : https://earthcharter.org/ 11:08:25 From Roisin Markham : BTW I know people who consider the SDG’s green washing & have lost faith in them 11:08:54 From Brad Macpherson : @Róisín - half the Green Party fit that description :-) 11:09:26 From Roisin Markham : I do have to profess I’m agnostic to methodology I just want to create a society with better values that respects ecosystems where the humans are part of it not just dominating it 11:09:45 From Roisin Markham : Regenerative rather that extractive 11:13:23 From Roisin Markham : “A replacement for dogma” Brad 11:13:33 From Roisin Markham : Zeitgeist 11:19:40 From Roisin Markham : I have to go in a few minutes